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from the midwest medical examiner's office. >> martha weaver. spokesperson for midwest medical examiner's office. >> welcome to carver county. i wish it was under different circumstances. this is a tragedy for all of us. to you, prince rogers nelson was a celebrity. to us, he's a community member and a good neighbor. to his family, he's a loved one. in life, he was a very private person. we're going to continue to respect his privacy and his dignity and hope that you do as well. we also respect the media's right to information. bear in mind this incident happened about 29 hours ago. and continues to be under
investigation. there are some things regarding this investigation that i will not be able to talk about. i'm going to give you a statement, and we will then take some questions that you may have. at about 9:43 yesterday morning, we received a medical call at paisley park in chan hassen. chan hassen fire, the carver county sheriff's office and ridge view ambulance all responded to the call. that is our standard protocol and is not unusual at all to have everybody respond to a medical like that. they found an unresponsive male in the elevator. cpr was initially started but was unsuccessful. he was pronounced deceased at 10:07. we have identified him as prince rogers nelson. 57 years old. staff members from paisley park
had been able -- had been unable to contact prince yesterday morning and went to check on him. they found him unresponsive and called 911. deputies went through the building to make sure that there was nobody else inside. because this was an unwitnessed death of a middle-aged adult, the decision was made to process the scene. that is also normal protocol. it is not different from what we normally would do. there should be no -- we ended up contacting the county crime lab to help us with that, and there should be no inference taken from that. it's not unusual for them to come out and do those types of calls. we finished with our processing late yesterday afternoon and turned paisley park back over to prince's representatives. again, because this investigation is ongoing, i will not be answering questions on
whether or not there were any items that were taken during our processing. the midwest medical examiner's office was contacted and dr. quinn strobl, carver county medical examiner responded. there were no obvious signs of trauma on the body at all. the body was transported to dr. strobl's office for an autopsy and that has been done today. results from that autopsy may take several weeks, which is not unusual. again, this will continue to be an open investigation until the autopsy results came back -- come back, and we are ready to take questions that you may have. >> sheriff olson? >> yes, ma'am. >> one of the 911 callers said there were people in the home who were distraught. could you tell us any more about who was in the home with prince at the time of his death? >> there were staff members that
were there who had went to check on him and that's all i'm going to respond to at this point. >> was there a suicide note found? >> i'm not responding to any kind of questions regarding what may have been taken. we have no reason to believe at this point that this was a suicide. but again, this is early on in the investigation and it's continuing to -- we're continuing to investigate. >> sheriff, any indication of how long he had been in that elevator? was he wearing clothes from the night before? was he wearing new clothes? >> we have not received that information from the medical examiner's office at this time. it had not been in the couple of minutes before first responders had arrived. >> could you repeat that. >> it had not been within the couple of minutes that first responders arrived. >> you said he was a very private person. was he a healthy person? >> i'm not the right one to answer that. we'll let the medical examiner talk about that when that time
comes. >> was there any medical cause -- [ inaudible question ] >> i have checked calls for service in our log for that address, as well as for -- in prince's name person -- directly. there were no calls involving prince in the past year that we have had. you know, paisley park, prince does this concerts there sometimes and get-togethers and so on. so it's not unusual for us to receive calls at paisley park itself. there was nothing that i'm aware of that involved prince directly at paisley park. sir, go ahead. >> from bbc news, are you able to confirm whether prince was taking any medication at the time of his death? >> i am not able to confirm that at this time at all. >> sheriff, can i ask you a question here? >> sure, sir. >> can you explain to us, give us an idea of what the investigation will entail now,
what types of -- i know you can't do specifics, but -- [ inaudible question ] >> yeah. you know, we'll be talking to people that are close to him. we'll be gathering some medical records and taking a look at those, between us and the medical examiner's office and working off of it from there. [ inaudible question ] >> they were trained to reach him yesterday morning and they were unable to reach him, reach prince. so they responded to paisley park to look for him and found him unresponsive in the elevator. >> so he was alone at home? >> that is correct. we did not -- we did clear and go through the residence at the time and did not find anybody else there.
>> derek, afp. are you cooperating with any other jurisdictions and are you looking at all into the flight that returned to illinois? >> we will be looking at all of that. >> can you tell me what you've done so far, or you're just looking into it? >> you know, our detectives, this is 29 hours old, our detectives are currently working on this case. so there are things that they're working on. >> are you cooperating with any other jurisdictions? >> of course we are. we always cooperate. >> sheriff, you said there were no calls involving prince in the last year. are you aware of any hospital visits he may have had recently? >> there are no calls involving the carver county sheriff's office that i'm aware of. >> i know you said you wouldn't get specific about things that were taken out of the home. was there medication taken out of the home? >> again, i'm not going to get specific on what was or was not taken from the home. >> do you know -- there have
been these reports that he could have been on some sort of medication, percocet. have you talked to anyone about that? >> this case is currently under investigation and i'm not going to talk about that at this time. thank you. >> -- illinois, as well as his pharmaceutical records locally? >> between us and the medical examiner's office, we'll be looking at all of that, yes. yeah, absolutely. >> there are reports that he frek wented a local walgreen's, have you been there to talk to employees there? have you pulled surveillance video and what have they said? >> that is part of the investigation and that would be our normal protocol, certainly to pull any type of video. [ inaudible question ] >> that's not what i said. i said that would be our normal protocol. this case is 29 hours old and continues to evolve for us. >> sheriff, how detailed are your crime scene investigators. >> excuse me. >> how detailed are your crime
scene investigators working and processing the scene? can you talk to us about how meticulous you're working and who is helping out? >> the crime lab is helping us from a processing standpoint and they are meticulous, that is what they do. so they're very meticulous. photos and so on. >> is there any indication of how long he was in the elevator? had it been overnight, do you believe? >> you know, we're going to wait for the medical examiner's office to give us that information. and i cut somebody off over here. ma'am, i'm sorry. >> it's a question for the medical examiner. >> sure. and she's the public information officer. not the medical examiner. >> yes. >> is there any signs of drugs or a drug overdose found? >> there's no indication at this time. let me give you background about midwest medical examiners.
we are working as part of the investigative team with the sheriff's office. so much of the answers i will be able to give you today will include the word pending. we received the call yesterday morning at 10:12 to assist in this investigation. our chief medical examiner arrived on the scene at 11:30 yesterday morning, local time. and was on the scene for several hours. the autopsy this morning began at 9:00 a.m. central daylight time and concluded at 1:00 p.m. and his body did leave midwest medical examiner's office and was released to the family. it was a very meticulous exam. it was a complete exam. so several of the pieces of information that are gathered in that process will be sent to labs for further testing. so that answer is pending. and it will take days and weeks to complete those particular investigations. >> is it possible to see when he
died? i know time of death is pronounced at seven minutes past 10:00. but had he been dead in the elevator overnight? do you know when he stopped breathing? >> that information is pending. >> do you know what time he was removed from paisley park? >> 15:39. >> that's when he left paisley park to go to your place? >> yes. >> my question is for the sheriff. wcc radio. was there extra people brought in because this was prince or any extra deputies or anything like that different because of the way -- because it was prince? >> there were a number of people that started gathering across the street very early, as well as media. so, yes, we certainly did bring other people in to help from a crowd control standpoint and to assist us with that. as far as from a processing -- scene processing standpoint, it's a very large area, paisley park is, so we had to bring a couple extra people in and that was part of the reason also for having county assistance with
them. >> you had to search the room, is that what you're talking about, because of the building size? >> yeah, the building is pretty big. >> were there surveillance cameras at paisley park and do you have them? >> that will be part of the investigation. i don't want to comment on that right now. >> sheriff, does it appear that he used elevator because he was unable to take the stairs? was he in the elevator intentionally? >> he certainly does have access to stairways. paisley park, again, is a big place. and i don't think it would be unusual for him to use the elevator. the staircases are pretty long. so i don't think that would be unusual. if that's why he took the elevator or not, i can't say. >> is there evidence that he collapsed inside the elevator? >> yes, he was collapsed inside the elevator, that is correct. i haven't been over -- okay, go ahead. >> do you know when the last time he was seen alive and at what point he had retired for the night? >> the information we have right
now is that he was last seen about 8:00 wednesday night. >> where was that? >> at paisley park. had been dropped off there. >> had you met prince before? if the mayor or sheriff would like to answer, and if so, what was that interaction like? >> i did meet prince, but it wasn't in my capacity as mayor. when i was in business, i had the pleasure of riding in a plane with him. our plane was waiting for departure and there were two seats that were empty and soon after that, the stewardess escorted prince and a member of his entourage. i did greet him hello, but as mayor of chan hasen, i've never had reason to or occasion to meet him. >> we would see prince from a law enforcement standpoint occasionally. he would have concerts at paisley park, and we would help with some traffic assistance and those kinds of things.
he lived in chan hasen for a long time and had two different residences that he lived in, not counting paisley park itself. so he had been a long-time member of the community and really a good neighbor for everybody. >> sheriff, have you -- [ all speak at once ] >> you said there's no reason to believe it was a suicide. is there any reason to believe that foul play was involved? >> we have no reason to believe at this time it's a suicide, the rest of it is under investigation. >> his personal doctor, and the questions around medication, couldn't that be cleared up by talking to his doctor? >> that will be part of the investigation, as we'll certainly have contact with any medical personnel that he's had contact with. >> so, again, have you talked to his doctor? >> this investigation is 29 hours old. our investigators are currently working on it. i have not talked to him in the past however long. so i don't know specifically who they have talked to and who they haven't at this point.
[ all speak at once ] >> did he have multiple -- >> i don't know. he was on the first floor, whoever asked that question. yes, ma'am. >> are there any rumors that you would like to dispel at this time, about the nature of his death and the investigation? >> there have been so many rumors i've read about, no one if i can dispel the rumors that are out there and, no, this is under investigation still. >> one more question. [ inaudible question ] >> we did do a search warrant, yes. and that would also be normal protocol. paisley park is very large. it's hard to say who had control at the time -- or who could have given us permission to process that scene. so we just thought it would be better and safer for us to get a search warrant on the front end to do that. so, yes, we did get a search warrant. the search warrant has not been filed as of yet. and will be filed in the next, probably in the next week and a half or so. >> so the request that you made,
what was it for? >> to process the scene at paisley park. process the area at paisley park, and i don't have a copy of that search warrant in front of me. >> to the representative from the medical examiner's office, different offices do different things. some offices sometimes release some preliminary information which has nothing to do with the toxicology test, for example, that might give you an indication of how long he had been dead when you found him. are you going to have a preliminary report on some initial information before we get the toxicology or -- >> the short answer is no. the explanation is that we are here in the capacity of serving the carver county sheriff's office, as part of their investigative team. so we will complete our results and on behalf of the midwest medical examiner's office, the office will not release any information until our results are complete. it is determined by the sheriff
what his office chooses to release, whether it is preliminary, as it comes in, or when it is complete. >> was his body released to -- [ inaudible ] >> his body was released to his family. >> so to be clear, do you not have a preliminary cause of death, or is it really not known? >> our results are pending. >> what do you expect the timeline to be for your report? >> it could be days, depending on the type of tests and most likely weeks, to have the complete set of results available to us. and that's when midwest medical examiner's office would release it. >> sheriff, how many investigators do you currently have working on this case and how many agencies are working together -- >> we've got, you know, three, four agencies that are working on this, and i've got a number of detectives that are working on it. this is a very large -- let me rephrase that. you know, this is a high profile
case for us, but the county continues -- life in the county continues to go on, and there's also other cases that we have that we are currently working on. i'm not sure exactly how many detectives i have working specifically on this case right now. >> sheriff, question over here. >> yes, ma'am. >> so the plane landed in illinois, we know that. when he refused a room at the hospital as reports indicate now, are you looking any -- was there anything unusual when he landed that you can talk about and that you know about? >> i know as much about that currently that you do from reading the paper. >> i can address that for a moment too. >> thank you. >> again, i'm speaking on behalf of our chief medical examiner. and when we say that we're going to be doing a complete exam, that not only includes the present state of the body that is brought to us, but also the medical history of the
individual, the family medical history of the individual. so those types of things will be encompassed in the medical examiner's report that will be delivered to the sheriff for his investigation. >> and which would include reaching back to illinois? >> it would include his medical history, his social history, and his family's medical history as well. [ inaudible question ] >> i would assume they would request them as part of this investigation. >> yeah, between us and the medical examiner, we would have access to those, absolutely. [ inaudible question ] >> at this point, we have not reached out to the bca for assistance with this. >> is the prince family cooperating with this investigation? are they pretty willing and helping? i talked to a couple family members yesterday and they said they're trying to keep a lot of things quiet. are they working with you in any way? >> yeah, i've had contact with prince's family and prince's representatives and they have
been very cooperative. we haven't had any problems with that at all. >> when you say no obvious signs of trauma, what does that mean? what would be a sign of trauma, like what is it that you're clearing? >> a sign of trauma would be some sign of violence that had happened, there was no sign of that at all. >> what will happen to paisley park? >> that will be up to the estate. i'm not privy to that. >> a question for the medical examiner. >> hang on one second. >> how long will the sheriff's office have the roadways closed and there's no -- how long will crowds be allowed to gather outside? >> we'll allow crowds to gather as long as they're on paisley park's property there. >> across the street? >> yeah, that's part of paisley's property there. and we'll allow them to gather as long as paisley park is okay. we'll re-evaluate that until monday morning probably and see
where we're at and what's going on there. >> and the road closures? >> yes, that road will be closed up until monday. >> could you describe to us exactly what sort of tests you'd undertake on any case when there's an unwitnessed death? >> is she talking to you? i'm sorry. i'll get out of your way. >> essentially, it will be a full panel of tests. there will be tissue samples done and toxicology samples done based on blood draws and that's the most i'm going to say about it at this time. >> what's the spectrum of toxicology tests that you would undertake normally? >> a full spectrum. and that's the last i'm going to say about it. >> wednesday night, 8:00 p.m., was he out, or was he seen at home by members of his staff? >> somebody dropped him off at home about 8:00 that night.
>> so it was the staff members that saw him last, or an -- >> yes, it was an acquaintance that he was with that dropped him off. >> sheriff, was it usual that he would be the only occupant of his huge complex? i mean, you said that staffers tried to get in contact with him and were unable to do that. were there no security personnel? >> prince is a very private person and i don't think that that would be unusual for him to be there by himself. >> sheriff, you mentioned staff was trying to reach him. the person that made the 911 call, do you know their relation to him? >> 911 callers' information is private. and i can't share that. >> do you know if the elevator was inspected? >> how was he dressed at this time? in day clothes or overnight clothes? >> he was in clothes.
i can't say i know for sure what he sleeps in versus what he may go out in. so i don't know for sure if those were sleep clothes or what type of clothes. >> what did he have on? >> he had on a shirt. he had on pants osome sort. he was dressed. >> was there an elevator phone, and if so, when was the last time this elevator was inspected. ? do you have any of that information? >> i don't believe there was an elevator phone. i don't think so. [ inaudible question ] >> if there are things that should lead us that direction, sure, we would certainly do that. pardon? [ inaudible question ] >> again, it's 29 hours old, our detectives are working on it. >> have you requested any
additional search warrants? if so, where and when and who? >> we haven't done any additional at this point. >> prince apparently had other homes p homes. do you know how long he considered that a home address? >> prince moved around a bit and would travel quite often. i can't say for sure how long he had been there. but, you know, he did stay there frequently and considered that, i think, his main residence. >> sheriff, you said there were signs he did collapse in the elevator. were there any signs he hit his head or -- >> there was no obvious signs of trauma to the body that we observed. i don't know what the medical examiner may have found during the autopsy, if anything would have showed. but there was nothing at all that nakindicat indicate indica obvious sign of trauma.
♪ [ laughter ] >> go ahead, ma'am. >> was his cell phone there and was there any indication that he reached for a cell phone or made any attempt to get help? >> i don't recall seeing a cell phone in the close proximity. i don't recall a cell phone in the close proximity to where he was at. >> some of his staff had cell phones, would you be checking their records or looking to see if they took pictures? >> that would be part of the investigation and i don't want to share that at this time. >> did you see the body yourself? >> i was there for a period of time yesterday. >> when it was first discovered, were you there with the first group? >> no, i had other things that were going on. >> how would you describe the mood and could you detect a mood inside paisley park at that moment they knew prince was dead? what was the mood? >> it was certainly somber. you know, he -- he was a friend,
i think, to the people that was there, as well as being an employer. and they were certainly shook by what had happened, sure. >> any staff members under investigation, any potential criminal charges? >> this all continues to be under investigation and we'll do a complete and thorough investigation and it's better with this for us to do it well, than for us to do it fast. so we're going to do the best job that we can. >> sheriff, does your department commonly carry the antidote for opioid overdose? >> all of our officers carry narcan, for approximately two years now, and that was not used. >> the person who made the 911 call, a staff member apparently did not know the address.
there's no -- the address of where they were. >> i don't know if that would be unusual with that. for not knowing the address. i'm sure they knew where it was. a lot of -- i'm sure that there's probably a number of people out here that don't necessarily know the address to their news buildings and so on. so i don't think that would be unusual. >> sheriff -- [ inaudible ] >> there's some discussion that's currently going on with that from a legislative standpoint. i don't believe at this point that privacy citizens can have narcan. law enforcement and fire can now carry it. that was something that went through the legislature last year, the year before. >> sheriff, this is a question that i'm going to follow up with. were you a prince fan yourself? did you like his music? >> yeah, certainly, you know,
i'm the same age as prince is. yeah, know his music well and sure, i like -- i like prince's music. sir? >> was there any music playing when the police arrived? basically what was the last song prince heard? >> i did not hear any music on in the residence at all, or in the building at all. >> how many employees were there when you arrived? >> three. there were three people that were there. >> are you asking anything from the public? >> you know, i would ask for -- again, prince was a very private person and i would ask the public and everybody to respect that privacy and treat that with dignity, as well as all of you with that, so. one more question and i'm going to be done. [ inaudible question ]
>> we have ten days legally in which to file a search warrant with the courts, so -- and i don't know at this time when that might be done, but we have ten days to do that. i want to thank everybody for coming. this is a -- certainly a big event internationally and nationally and i can tell you that we are going to leave no stone unturned with this, and make sure that the public knows what happened. >> let me comment too. >> absolutely. >> how many of you were a fan? a lot? >> yeah, of course. >> a lot. i think that, you know, we would like to extend our thanks to everyone for showing such respect for this situation. for our generation, he was the song book and the narrative for some of the greatest moments in our individual lives, much like
elvis presley and ira gershwin before him. and this is something that we remember and we take very, very seriously, and we appreciate the respect and the dignity and the outpouring of support that everyone has shown, not only to his family, but to the law enforcement officers working on this, to the state of minnesota that so proudly claimed him and adored him. and this is something that is very gravitas for everyone involved. so we appreciate the respect that has been shown by everyone in this situation. >> thank you very much, everybody. >> brief essay on music and stardom by the spokesperson for the medical examiner's office. think of it yesterday, fans of prince around the world, certainly in this country, woke up to what we all thought was going to be an average thursday, and think of it in terms of a
suburban minnesota sheriff's department in the town of chan hassen, minnesota, approaching a very regular thursday, until a 911 call at a well known address. and on the first floor, in the elevator, there was the body of prince, age 57 and unable to be revived. we've been watching with a number of friends, first and foremost, dr. siril wecht. someone we've counted on many times to talk about cases like this. and for a lay audience, without getting too graphic, what is yet to come? >> brian, pleasure to be with you, indeed a tragic case.
the autopsy has been done. they will have selected specimens, blood, bile from the gall bladder, uuurbladder,urinee brain. toxicology results will be back to them three, four days at the very most. i would say, brian, without engaging in wild conjecture, based on my experience and based on what i've heard and read about the saga, the scenario related to this untimely death, this has all the earmarks of a drug-related death. it's highly unlikely that he had any kind of an illness which had not been diagnosed and treated before. again the only thing that could be possibly responsible for the history that i understand resulted in his cancellation of some performances not too long
ago. then he came back and performed again. then he became ill after the performance. the only other possibility is some kind of rare cardiac abnormality producing a sporadic disrhythmia, causing the heart to become erratic. but based on the absence of trauma, the absence of involvement of any other party, the absence of any history of a significant well known disease, i believe it's going to be a drug related death. i understand and i don't know this personally, that he supposedly was taking percocet. if that be true, you would have the explanation there. percocet consists of oxycodone. which is one of the most frequently involved drugs in the drug epidemic that we have been experiencing. it's a semi- synthetic nark cottic analgesic. it leads to super coma, muscle
flax idity. it's a brain depressant. and acetaminophen also has some effect too on the brain. and those two drugs are together in the drug known as percocet. if he took an overdose of percocet, deliberately or inadvertently, no reason to believe suicide or foul play here, then i think this is going to be ultimately proven to be a drug death. oxycodone, the drugs that i've talked about, in that drug percocet, probably other drugs in combination. oxycontin is one of the most frequently involved drugs in the drug related deaths that we as coroners and medical examiners are experiencing in the united states today. >> dr. cyril wecht with us from
pittsburgh, pennsylvania. dr. wecht was most recently portrayed in the nfl movie concussion. thank you for joining our coverage. also here with us in the studio is a man who is among prince's biographers, long time journalist and author toure, who wrote the book "i would die for you: why prince became an icon." we were together on the air last night. you approached this as a journalist and author, but also a guy who has loved music all his life and is just a fan. i can sense the sadness and disappointment compounded on top of the word that prince had died, and now all this talk. >> yeah, you know, again, this would diverge from what i have heard was his behavior throughout his life. i wonder how the folks would respond to the complication that folks say that he was extremely
doctor averse. so is it possible that there was something that a normal person, or a different sort of person would go to aoctor and get fixed and taken care of and he refused to do that, because of the way he was. because he was so in control of every moment was so important to him. was there something that was undiagnosed that was allowed to fester? i don't know. maybe we'll find that answer out. the thing that jumped out at me from that press conference is that he was found alone in this elevator. and he dies literally alone and figuratively alone, unmarried, childless, and it seems a very sad ending to someone who was so public and gave so much joy to so many people, to have his end come like that, all alone. >> we should probably point out for our viewers, none of this has been proven or spoken of by a reputable source. a lot of what people are going
on and even talking about what we think medical examiners are looking for, has been published in one or two sources, and is not -- has not been confirmed. so we should point that out. certainly hasn't been confirmed by this news organization. you know, among the questions in the press conference was trying to establish motive, why was he using the elevator. well, we don't know that. we will never know that sadly in this case. >> was he wearing sleep clothes, i mean, you know. >> i do get the sense that god forbid if you lose a loved one in carver county, minnesota, and you're worried about privacy and dignity being maintained, this sheriff is perfectly capable of doing that. >> yeah. you know, it's a very tough situation. i mean, no sign of violence, no outward signs of trauma. we'll all be looking to hear what these doctors say happened
here. you know, you hope, given the legacy, and given the history of someone who was philosophically against using drugs, someone whose spirituality and religion so important to him, you hope the legacy isn't so important to him, you hope people don't say, oh, the elvis presley thing, he gets use and starts to use drugs and then falls apart. you can't know what someone is going through. you get some ability to get respite from pain and then where does that go? there's millions of americans dealing with that every day. >> our next guest is an old friend of ours, and i don't mean old, just that we've known him for a long time. he's a long-time journalist with tv 1 and i know you were a friend and a fan and i know your contacts with the family and the organization around prince run deep. what are you hearing today?
>> this news conference was critically important. you heard the sheriff say that they respect the privacy of prince. that was critically important because he was indeed a private person. to have this sort of attention put folks in his home talking, and so as they were watching this news conference unfold, it was important for that to come out. typically, as you know, we've covered meany of these stories. they'll release preliminary results of autopsy and say, we'll get the full report later. so for the sheriff and the medical examiner's office to say they're going to wait, nothing preliminary, certainly that's critically important. so the folks who work with prince and his family are appreciative of that, because as opposed to having all this speculation, he was doing this, he was doing that, from their perspective, put it all out at one time, so you have the full
context of what happened as opposed to a lot of pure speculation. >> and roland, let's talk about something else. this was after all an iconic musician. and in the aforementioned 29 hours since he expired, something else has been dawning on people, and that is that he may have left behind the largest body of music produced by any current musician, living or dead. >> keep in mind, prince was someone who lived in a studio. i'll just give you some insight to understand how this guy operated. when he left warner brothers the previous time, what he would do is, he would have his concert. he chose smaller venues. he would do an afterparty and he would actually play longer at the afterparty than he did the actual concert. 45 years ago, i was invited by
shaun robinson to an nba all-star game, to a party at prince's house. get there around 1:00 and then about 2:30, all of a sudden i see people start plugging up instruments and people start coming out, and literally they put on a full concert for the next three hours. we didn't leave there until almost 6:00. and so this was a pure genius, who could play all the instruments and the output was amazing. one of the things that we have to understand, why he was frustrated with warner brothers is because prince was like the old-school musicians. you go back to the '40s and '50s, those artists put out four, five, six albums a year, versus the traditional system, you do one a year or 18 months or every two years. this is somebody who had tremendous output and was frustrated by the limitations of a traditional music system. so to think about that type of music, when he left warner brothers, he left 700 songs in the vault.
and i remember they put out one of those albums called "call the vault," now this phenomenal song on there, about describing, it's about that wall. and he said then he would never play those songs publicly, because he never felt they were ready to be released. so you're talking about a tremendous genius. this guy was operating at a level that we don't even really understand. brian, this goes beyond music. this is a guy who gave to black lives matter. this is a guy who gave to the harlem's children zone. there are a number of specifically black organizations who don't even realize what he was doing for them. >> yeah, i heard somebody say last night, there are homes in oakland california with solar panels on the roof, helping with their energy costs, who have no idea that those were courtesy of prince and on and on and on. >> yes.
>> someone said yesterday, when a star dies you often hear the negative stories come out in the days to come. but with prince, it's going to be the other way around. roland martin, always good to see you, thank you for stopping by our coverage. and before we scoot off the air, we want to welcome the leeds brothers on the air. alan and eric. alan was a long-time tour manager for prince and other artists. and the brother in the hat, eric, played in prince's band. and i'm told, eric, some of your music is on the unreleased music. and do you agree with my assessment that this could be the largest collection, as many hours as any contemporary artist has left us with? >> oh, absolutely. between the years '85 and the early '90s, i may have done anywhere from 60 to 75 recording
sessions with him. and the reason i did so many, i was kind of the anomaly myself, and a friend, the trumpet player, we were the ones who played the instruments that he himself could not play. so it gave us the opportunity to contribute in a way most of his bands were not able to. for every one song i may have played on a recording session with him that was eventually released on an album in some form, there are probably 25 to 30 recordings that would never see the light of day. >> so you were smart enough to play an instrument that gave you job security around prince? >> very much so. and an interesting role because it kind of made me somewhat of a guinea pig, because he had to relate to me and other horn players that had been in and out of his band during the years, in ways that he couldn't when he could go to a drummer in his band or a bass player or another
guitar player. and no matter how tremendous they were, he could take their instrument and show them exactly what he wanted to do. and i had the good fortune of playing an instrument he couldn't do that with. >> and alan, you were his tour manager, including the tour off the success of "purple rain" what if i told you amc theaters are going to rerelease "purple rain" on 87 screens across the country this weekend? >> i would not be surprised. it was a pretty remarkable phenomenon, the whole "purple rain" thing. but from a personal standpoint, it was just one exciting tour. all of which had an identity and muse kalet that was totally unique and exciting in their own way. but from a commercial standpoint, "purple rain" is the
benchmark, it crossed him over to the huge measure of celebrity that he became. >> alan and eric, thank you for being part of our coverage. and everyone who's been involved in our coverage, they begin this conversation first and foremost as prince fans. so we're sorry for your loss of your friend. we'll take a break. on the other side, chris hayes will continue our coverage of politics for today, right after this. [beekeeper] from bees to business expenses, i'm in chargof it all.
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hello there, i'm chris hayes in new york. we will of course continue to keep you updated with the latest on the investigation into music icon prince's death. there's also, though, a lot of news in the political world. namely, the republican national committee, which is wrapping up its final meeting in florida before the convention in july. and a day after team trump made its case, the stop trump crowd is there, attempting to rebut that case, arguing that a contested convention is still in the best interest of the republican party. meanwhile the cruz campaign, setting up indiana as the next stop trump fire wall. voters there go to the polls a week from tuesday. a new poll co-sponsored by our nbc affiliate in indianapolis finds trump leading cruz by six points with john kasich not that far behind. right now donald trump is holding a rally in delaware,
ahead of the state's april primary. >> my family asked me, dad, why are you doing this? dad, where are you going tomorrow? well, i get up five and i travel to a state far away. and then i go to another state and another one and then i come home. i should be home by about one in the morning. then i get up at six the next day. and my daughter ivanka said, dad, why do you do that? and i said, you know what, it's very simple. i love this country. this country has been so good to me. i wish he had somebody that was so good, i don't care if it's a republican or democrat, i couldn't care less. if we had a great president who was a democrat, we need a great president. we need a great, great president, because we are really in trouble. but i'd wish and i told ivanka, i told my wife, i wish we had a great president. and i'm a republican, i'm a
conservative, you know, they say he is not. you know jeb bush, right? he said, he is not a conservative. you know why. because i don't want to have free trade if it's stupid trade. free trade is fine, but we get outsmarted because we don't use your best and we don't use our finest. the other day in new york, you saw when i won, icons there, we have the smartest people in the world on our side, but we don't use them. we use political hacks. we use people with no ability whatsoever to negotiate massive deals, bigger than any business deal you could ever do, because trade is far bigger than any company. far bigger. >> all right, that's donald trump in delaware sporting his now infamous or famous, depending on how you view it, hat "make america great again." >> ileana, the open question to
me, for the last several weeks, and it's most acute and intense right now is how much there actually is behind stop trumpism other than say magazines like yours, in terms of its constituency, its financial resources, the institutional heft behind it, or whether that's just going to fold, after trump apparently is going to clean up on tuesday. >> you know, chris, i think there's been a little bit of a misconception. stop trump has been called a movement, but in reality, it's a lot of disjointed magazines, super pacs, individual people, who all want to stop donald trump but aren't working in tandem. so i think to call it a movement is overstating what's actually going on. but to be clear, none of these forces are going away. and in wisconsin, what we saw was politicians, super pacs, and the media in the form of talk
radio show hosts, all play a significant role in coming out against trump, and the stars sort of aligned, and he was defeated. and i think if that can happen next in indiana, i think it's silly to talk about the primaries on tuesday on the east coast as some sort of a big setback for ted cruz. nobody thought he was ever going to do well there. but if these same forces come into play in indiana and cruz can win there, i think that will be tremendously important. >> yeah, the polling is neck and neck in indiana right now. the two places to look at polling right now, it's indiana and then that california polling, which there's polling out today which looks like trump running away with california. a convincing win in california would probably put him over. then the question becomes now, or down the stretch, whether the etch a sketch as a romney adviser famously said in 2012, when you shake it, you get another go at who your candidate is, whether trump is capable of pulling that off? >> well, that's true.
just before we put all the marbles on indiana, we should note there are five states voting next tuesday. donald trump, we think, is leading in all of them. that would be another big victory. and there's an impetus. one contest leads to another. so i'm not sure that the idea of holding out hope that indiana is going to finally trip up donald trump is realistic. if anything trips up donald trump, it's going to be donald trump. the fact that he's been hard to stop is because as he showed in new york, he attracts voters and wins contests. the question of whether he can portray himself, as he puts it, as more presidential, so presidential you'll be bored, he hasn't been able to do that so far. he did it on tuesday night. on wednesday he was back to being brash and outspoken. so i think that the handlers or the campaign folks who are reassuring nervous republicans that he can be remade, let's see the evidence of him doing that on a consistent basis on the
stump. >> yeah, the modern campaign trail rewards discipline over every other character trait, i think. >> and trump has been tremendously disciplined at one thing, presenting his authentic self. people made a big deal when he refrained from calling ted cruz lying ted for one night. but he was back at it the next day. i don't think he's going to change as a candidate. it's been effective so far and i don't think there's any reason to believe he's pivot in a general election. >> thank you very much. i'll be hosting my show tonight at 8:00 p.m., ""all in with chris hayes." we'll have much more on today's politics and some prince for you. "meet the press daily" starts right after the break. eeing you. uh, i live right over there actually. you've been to my place. no, i wasn't...oh look, you dropped something. it's your resume with a 20 dollar bill taped to it. that's weird. you want to work for ge too. hahaha, what? well we're always looking for developers
if it's friday, just under 90 days till the cleveland convention. has donald trump stopped the stop trump forces dead in their tracks, or did they stop short themselves? this is "mtp daily" and it starts right now. >> good evening, i'm steve kornacki in for chuck todd. happy friday to you. welcome to "mtp daily." well, what the heck has happened to the stop trump movement? less than 90 days to go now until the convention, and it looks as if the resistance may be in retreat. the party has heeded trump's warnings to keep its hands off the convention rule